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By: sportyaccordy

There are plenty of great FWD/AWD offerings enthusiasts love so that’s not a valid concern. Plus all RWD is not good RWD. My TLX SH-AWD is way better sorted and much more fun to drive than the open...

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By: ajla

“My TLX SH-AWD” Back to sport sedans?

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By: sckid213

I bet the CT4 will be a better driver across the range, from base models (CT4 Luxury vs. 228i) to performance models (CT4-V vs. M235i). And at least CT4 will get a “super-V” / “Blackwing” edition. I...

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By: Whatnext

Audi will welcome you!

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By: Whatnext

BMW has sold small cars in Europe for years. Even a hatchback 2 series .

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By: FreedMike

It seems like you’re asking them to return to being a “sport sedan” brand. Problem is, back when that label did fit them, they had maybe three or four different models. Good luck talking them into...

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By: FreedMike

“Why this over, say, a WRX Limited or Golf R?” Doesn’t make much sense to me either, but it doesn’t have to. It just has to make sense to the target market, which I’m thinking isn’t much interested in...

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By: Nick_515

I am confused by nomenclature. I thought anything ending in 228i was the N20 in ~250hp guise, which was discontinued for the B48 designated as 230i, with similar hp even if the power curve and NVH are...

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By: jack4x

It’s unfortunate that the Mini brand is so boxed into a corner styling wise, because something like this would make a lot more sense as a downmarket brand than as a BMW.

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By: R Henry

Thanks for the link. Toward the end: “…the Germans may eventually find that they’ve become the new mainstream rather than the upscale alternative.”

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By: sportyaccordy

Yes, the Optima was an expensive mistake.

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By: sportyaccordy

Who is the target market? The X1/X2 seem better in every way, and the X2 even has legit dynamic chops, while still being more practical than this. This is a car that really doesn’t have to exist.

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By: SPPPP

“Yes, the E46 will have RWD handling tendencies, which are more entertaining (and interestingly enough, this review also proves the “dull-steering BMW” phenomenon is almost 20 years old now), but I’d...

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By: krhodes1

I find it amusing to even think of BMW and MB as “luxury” brands. They are premium brands who make *some* actual luxury cars. Most of their output is pretty pedestrian, if still nicer than most cars. I...

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By: krhodes1

@ajla Oh yes, my Mother’s ’83 528e with 127hp and a 3spd slushbox was a performance MACHINE. Sheesh. Nice car though. BMW has long done boring to wild. If anything, the modern lineup tends more to the...

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By: ajla

Compared to what else was for sale in 1983 it probably was. And what “wild” car do they offer in 2019 that doesn’t wear an M-badge? You’re the lifelong BMW man on TTAC. Is the past reputation of their...

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By: sgeffe

At least the grille doesn’t have the sabre-toothed look! But good Lord, did BMW hire away the Chevy Malibu’s designers for this? That’s not meant to be complimentary, BTW!! I’ll bet this thing has an...

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By: sgeffe

It’s a worldwide thing! The other day, I had to move my Dad’s 2011 Accord Sedan a short distance, which made me realize how different the high hoodline on my 2019 is compared to even my previous 2013!...

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By: Hummer

“ comparable virtues of the CT4, no longer clamoring for “the 6.2l or bust”” No it’s just a gauge to show how much this sucks that it can be compared to that pile of excrement. It’s still a very valid...

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By: Matt Foley

I’m middle-aged and married, so honest question here: Are young professional women still impressed by a guy in a BMW the way they were 20 years ago? Because that’s the only reason I can fathom why...

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By: jmo

+1

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By: jmo

“Because that’s the only reason I can fathom why someone would buy a 228i x-Drive over a loaded-up turbo Accord or V6 Camry – or a Kia Stinger” Wouldn’t you have to drive it first and compare? Also...

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By: threeer

Freed…save for the new 2 “gran coupe,” yes…yes, I have. The CLA to me is an absolute abomination for a MB (I didn’t even think it was that great of a car, regardless of the badge). I’d like the A3…if...

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By: darex

This is a whole generation ahead of the X1/X2, in terms of iDrive, interior design and safety systems (most of which aren’t even available on the X1/X2), and the X1/X2 won’t even catch up for about...

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By: SC5door

Sedan: “A closed automobile having two or four doors and a front and rear seat.”

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By: ajla

If attracting women is the game you’d be miles better off buying the Accord and spending the price difference on a gym membership, healthier food, and nicer clothes.

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By: FreedMike

The question isn’t whether young professional women are impressed by guys in Bimmers – the question is whether they’re impressed enough by Bimmers to buy one themselves.

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By: FreedMike

Thanks. I didn’t think the CLA was a bad driver – it was just inexcusably cheap on the inside. The new one looks to be a big improvement in that regard. I bought an A3, and yeah, I’d love a manual, but...

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By: sgeffe

They seem to be like Mercedes, and splitting the pie into too many slices. Didn’t BMW just cut one of these “coupes” up the range? It was so much simpler with 3/5/7, 6/8!

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By: sgeffe

The 2.0T in my $36,000 Accord is about the limit of what I would take with that small of an engine, no matter how good it may be! An Acura TLX wouldn’t be acceptable to me with that engine, much less...

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By: sgeffe

And having just missed the edit window…! You get to pay extra for the privilege of CarPlay or Android Auto! Which HyundKia gives you for free!

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By: conundrum

No, the A4 has not been FWD based until recently, with the so called quattro ultra, which is a clutch tapping power off the drive to the front for the rear now and then, like virtually everyone else. A...

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By: pinkslip

Looks like Rocksteady from TMNT. https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/HpVWmVEpEZYuLssEaM3vGV-970-80.jpg

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By: PandaBear

No, they fell for Tesla these days.

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By: ThomasSchiffer

I am from Munich and I despise BMWs with a passion, I always have. My Bavarian car of choice is Audi. However, in the interests of fair play I have to admit that this is not offensive or bad looking at...

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By: Vulpine

How old is that definition? coupé n. A closed four-wheel carriage with two seats inside and one outside for a driver. n. A closed two-door automobile. n. In fencing, a sudden shifting of the guard by...

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By: thegamper

I’m pretty sure I’d take a Civic over this. Who know maybe it drives wonderfully, but if I want something that looks like a Corolla I don’t think I’d pay a BMW upcharge for the priveledge. Not many...

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By: A Scientist

FreedMike gets it. I’m willing to bet that the majority of buyers of these will be female.

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By: A Scientist

Why do you “despise BMWs with a passion”? Just curious.

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By: sportyaccordy

I would wager the form factor is far more important to most people than having the latest tech. Someone who wants a crossover will buy an old crossover over a new sedan.

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By: cognoscenti

ajila wrote “If attracting women is the game you’d be miles better off buying the Accord and spending the price difference on a gym membership, healthier food, and nicer clothes.” THIS, ten times over....

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By: ToddAtlasF1

As someone who drove German cars for almost thirty years, I can say that I had more women following me around when I wore expensive Italian shoes. They may have been GDWs, but they were a better cut of...

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By: ThomasSchiffer

@A Scientist, Probably because the drivers behind the wheel tend to be very aggressive and do not know what an indicator is. And as an Audi fan, I think it is my duty to intensely dislike BMW.

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By: Featherston

Agreed that there’s a semantic issue in calling the smaller BMWs and Mercedes “luxury.” It depends on what your criteria are: build quality, size, features, performance, comfort, cachet, etc. “Luxury”...

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By: Featherston

“Compared to what else was for sale in 1983 it probably was.” Spot on, alja. Background: I learned to drive on an ’82 528e that my parents owned from new. Was it the least performance-oriented BMW...

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By: glwillia

20 years ago, I always lusted after E39 and E46 models and aspired to have them. Now? It’s still the E46 and E39 models (and earlier) that catch my eye, and I have one of each parked in my garage....

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By: craiger

I still remember the first BMW I ever drove, the E36. I didn’t take the plunge, but for years I told everyone who would listen how magical it was. Some years later I finally had the cash for an E39...

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By: 28-Cars-Later

“You may not be the boss in your own home, but at least your car will respond to your pleas.” Who’s the Boss then? Oh I know it must be Tony Danza.

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By: Stumpaster

BMW is taking styling cues from Kia.

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By: Secret Hi5

IKR? It pisses me off how recent “sedans” have designs that could’ve been hatchbacks, but aren’t. Kia Stinger excepted.

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